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 The qualification is over and we present you the result together we will publish the first 2 maps for the first playday. To see which teams take part in the Dirt Premiership Season I read on.
After 2 days of qualification and one day for us to sum up the result of every team, we are glad to present you the 18 teams which made it into the Dirt Premiership Season I.
Qualified teamsPremier League
Second LeagueRemember the DPS is starting at the 14th of march. This is next sunday the time will be 20:00 CET. The rankings and the matches will be generated tomorrow. 1st mappackWe will announce 2 new maps every new playday and another 2 new maps for the finals later on. A very special thanks from the ESL to all the mappers who delivered high quality maps to us on a short notice! More Information about the DPSIf you have any questions don't hesitate to contact us. Yours ESL  TMNF Elite Admins!
enfi,
Sunday, 07/03/10 19:46
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Chris
FL7sh
Zik
Fuskern
Fresh
s0ad
Ventil
Nico
Fresh
pitbon
gecko
All valid Autosaves, that have been sent in were taken into account. But in the end it made no difference for the team-ranking. Aseco problems can happen, sorry again for the trouble :S
Now the tracks will be rounds-mode oriented. We hope you will like them. THX to all mappers, you guys are very talented and I hope to see many nice tracks in coming events :D
The DPS1 is very important for you, because you can show your skills, gather experience and help us develop the coming seasons ;) Your opinion is very important to us. Send feedback to lhotus@staff.esl.eu so we can improve Dirt in the ESL!
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herO
nair
DrZeejs
Deckard Cain
You just changed it like 5-10 minutes ago!!!
I saw Team ///HOT Dirt placed in Premier League the whole evening until just now!
gecko
ESL Admin Team
pod.cKras 00:58,62
ηψτ'.fight 00:58,76
DOS1 00:58,81
DOS2 00:59,07
Kinetic 00:59,07
N-One TDx 00:59,21
ギ! 00:59,22
HOT\\\ 00:59,23
ATR 00:59,23
[O.M] 00:59,26
κκχ 00:59,29
»ÐŁ« 00:59,30
DD 00:59,31
MMe12 00:59,35
RC 00:59,36
VRT* 00:59,37
Cr* 00:59,58
Grr !! 00:59,67
ku!øut 00:59,76
HCT 00:59,77
ABGx 00:59,91
THE 00:59,91
IDT 00:59,95
dr-ukr-D 01:00,09
WoRM 01:00,55
ARA 01:00,64
nOOb 01:01,69
Deckard Cain
I cant help myself, hahaha
http://eu.dummies.com/how-to/computers-software/ms-office/excel.html
I cant believe it was this close. TM should start to measure in 1/1000 of a second instead of just 1/100. The difference between 59,21 and 59,22 in average for 3 drivers on 3 tracks each is microscopic!
edited by Deckard Cain 08/03/10
Lokal
frostBeule
indeed. i mentioned this to Florent in China, and he seemed to agree that it would be a good idea. but who knows if it will actually be inserted.
gecko
DeathDriver
ESL Admin Team
Let it rumble with dirt!!
Fate
The4thDuke
nair
:D
DeathDriver
ESL Admin Team
Zik
Lhotus
Mass
Here above you say 20.00h but the match details says 21.00h.
Lhotus
We changed it to 21.00, we will update the details later :)
Mass
DeathDriver
ESL Admin Team
LoS
gecko
ESL Admin Team
Fuskern
I know that the player who plays 1vs1 can`t play the 2on2.
But if Player A is playing 1on1 and players B and C is playing 2on2.
Can then player A,B,C play the 3on3?
Regards
/Fuskern
enfi
You don't have any restrictions for the 3on3.
Fuskern
Fresh
It was clearly written in the rules for the qualification:
Qualification in short:
- TA qualification - average time of the 3 best players on a Map will count
- 2 days (4th and 5th of March) each 16:00 - 22:00 o'clock
- 3 new maps, 15min each in a circle
You took the 3 best players of a team in general and not the 3 best players of a team on each map. If you would evaluate correctly the whole ranking would be a bit different. Our players stopped driving on Simplissimo (e.g.) because we already had 3 good times on the map.
I give an example for Simplissimo: our 3 best players drove:
13 lexykpaul 00:59.80
78 ichebem 01:00.37
93 psychobock 01:00.47
but you didnt calculate the final result with the time of psychobock. You took Janni and his time was: 01:01.64 !! (He didnt drive this map seriously because we already had many better times...)
Its clearly written in the rules for the qualification how you would calculate the final result. I told you about this problem and our situation this afternoon. You even agreed that there is a mistake!!! But you tell that you won't change anything.
This doesn't make sense. Are you too vain to correct a mistake that you have done?
Its the first Dirt Premiership Season. How can you start this season with a big mistake in the qualifying? Maybe some teams that should be qualifiyed aren't in and others are. You cant even be sure if you took the 6 right teams for the First League.
I tried to talk to you personally. As you dont like to change anything i need to tell the community about the situation. I dont know if anyone cares (I think teams who are in the Premiership won't give a shit about it) but it would be fair to discuss about.
Its not only me, its our whole team that feels cheated. Only because we are a small and unknown clan ESL.Admins dont care about it.
If you have any questions please contact me.
MFG Fresh
anyus
Of course, top teams don't care , they would easily manage to pass a qualification in both ways of computing, but for teams that are out of group stage the results could have been totally different.
It seems you hadn't been prepared good enough before you started this qualification.
And algorithm was so simple :
For each team: 1stMap(3 top times) / 3 + 2ndMap(3 top times) / 3 + 3rdMap(3 top times) / 3
Deckard Cain
It's very clear what the rules say about this:
http://www.esl.eu/eu/tmnf/premierships/dirt/season1/news/115193/
"It will be our job to determinate the best 3 players from your team on each single map and built an averange time out of it. We will sum up the 3 best records from your team and divide that by 3. Afterwards we sum up the result from every map, but this time it's the final result. The best 18 teams will get a slot for the Dirt Premiership Season I.
Qualification in short:
- TA qualification - average time of the 3 best players on a Map will count
- 2 days (4th and 5th of March) each 16:00 - 22:00 o'clock
- 3 new maps, 15min each in a circle"
Kikers
re-calculate the qualifying times again
To be honest
Mass
Before the final results were published, i made a top 6 by myself because i was wondering how DOS2 did. The results are indeed a bit different for Premiership. I cant guarantee that didnt make faults. Official results should be admins work :)
(3 best times + 3 best times + 3 best times) / 9
0:58.587 pod.cKras
0:58.761 NWT
0:58.766 DOS 1
0:59.050 DOS 2
0:59.106 N-ONE
0:59.139 HOT
Deckard Cain
Kikers
Deckard Cain
Team THE (I assume you are team THE after looking at your player profile) has a time of 59.91.
If you use the time mentioned above, 01:00.47 instead of 01:01.64 that ESL used, you will get a lowered average by (1.01.61 - 1.00.47) / 9 = 0,13 seconds which makes your qualification average to 59.78 instead of 59.91.
Assuming everything else is correct this changes nothing about the top 18 teams, but your team will have a slightly higher position, 21 instead of 22.
Correct me if I am wrong here?
R4V3R
Serverrecs on ESL-Dirt-World
gelage_janni 1:00.62
lexykpaul 1:00.74
blade 1:01.10 This time were send to an ESL-Admin from blade, cause his time wasn#t listed on the server after the first evening.(Proved with a screenshot and sent to an ESL admin)
Serverrecs on Simplissimo
lexykpaul 59.8
ichebem 1:00.37
psychobock 1:00.47
Serverrecs on invictus
lexykpaul 57.65
psychobock 58.09
gelage_janni 58.20
Average: 59,67111111
Hope this was completly correct for the THE-Team. I think nothing will completly change about the top 18 teams. But after my calculation the qualification average would be 59.67 instead of 59.91. And that is equal to Grr.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
ichebem
However, its a very bad thing for us.
Some of us only drives on Thursday, and then they were not available for 2 days, so that we cant send in their replay, which would have been even better, than the replays, which we send in now.
if you look, some of our players, are not in any ranking of qualification, although everybody of us drive.
Furthermore, i am really disappointed, about some other Things, which i told to the ESL-Admins, but they didn´t response.
For me, the only way, would be, to completly Restart the Qualification. Because, nothing works.
Either Servers, nor Ranking System, and on top of that, everybody of the Admins told you Something different. Thats really a big blamage. From my point of view.
However, it seems, that we, THE, are the only Team which cares about. And we are only 10 out of above 250. So who cares. Shit on it. Its only an official Premiership. Wayne...
Lhotus
ESL Admin Team
Thank you for your patience,
Best regards,
Lhotus
The4thDuke
By the way I suggest you to avoid to use averages, make the sums, you will avoid equal (or too close) averages.
Fresh
I just want to make clear: We just want a correct qualification for the 1st Premiershipseason. I really think that our team (THE) didnt qualify, but this whole discussion isn't only about THE.
This discussion has to be an interest for every driver who took part of the qualification.
@Deckard Cain: Its absolutely true. This is the way how they calculated the results. Efin and Gecko told me yesterday. But lets wait for an answer...