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Sensfix.asi should be allowed (and encouraged)
 
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For those who don't know. Sensfix.asi is a mod created by the very talented [uL]Slice. It allows you to fine tune the in-game sensitivity.

GTA-SA was directly ported from Console to PC. This means that the game itself was not intended for PC usage and the game was not optimised for PC.

For those fo you who use a Mouse with a DPI of over 800 I am sure you have noticed the Verticle/Horizontal aim bug. If you set your sensitivity to 1 then the Verticle sensitivity is twice as fast and the horizontal and vice versa. 

It may not bother some people, but for those who want perfect aiming it can be very annoying.

It is unheard of for an E-Sports game to have such a ridiculous issue with something as important as sensitivity and that is why we are all here right, to make this community based 7 year old game (which is still increasing in popularity) more viable in a competitive scene.

This is why I think ESL should openly encourage the use of this mod. It allows you to set your ingame sensitivity to 8 to combat the vertical and horizontal bug and then fine tune the sensitivity from there allowing for more accurate and more comfortable aiming and shooting.

Thanks for reading and hopefully my idea will be allowed, because at the minute I play great with my sensitivity fine tuned (I play with a 3200 DPI mouse with my sensitivity lowered with sensfix and I am just as accurate as I am in CS 1.6. However I removed sensfix to prepare for ESL and I just couldn't (and have no intention of) play without it.
I understand your problem because I've seen the difference between slow mouses and fast mouses, although I keep playing with a slow one so I don't have the bug.
But Sensfix is an asi script, which means it needs an asi loader or CLEO to be loaded and used, which is not allowed in ESL or in SA-MP at all, so as long as it stays an .asi or an .exe you can forget about it already.
If you want to see sensfix allowed in ESL, then ask Slice to make this sensfix an ESL Wire plugin and then wait for the ESL Wire devs to give an answer towards it.
Here's the place: http://www.esl.eu/eu/wire/wire_plugins/
While you wait you should either try to reduce your mouse speed outside the game or just use an old one for now.
I have no intention of playing an aspiring E-Sports game which does not allow you to customize your own sensitivity. Sensitivity is one of the most important aspects of any shooting game on a competitive level.

I feel it insulting to be asked to buy or use an outdated mouse for a game which is asking to be taken seriously. You would not see CSS, CoD, BF2, UT players being asked to use old hardware.

At the minute you need to set the ingame sensitivity to 8 to negate the horizontal sensitivity bug, thus you have to leave the software sensitivity alone and the mouse speed is dictaded by whatever DPI your mouse it using.

When I adjust my sensitivity with sensfix.asi I can get it almost identicle to my sens in other games allowing me to be amazingly accurate. All my shots go where I intend them to go. Without the .asi the aiming is jarry and twitchy and slight movements cause the crosshair to jump around.

No offence to you pacino, you have done a great job with this ESL stuff. It's just a shame the game you are promoting is perhaps one of the buggiest and unrelaible multiplayer games out there.

Thats not to say I don;t love the game with a passion, I just don;t feel I can compete and take it as seriously as my other games until most of the issues are resolved.

I would greatly appriciate it if you could try and find some way for the sensfix to be implemented with ESL.

 

Thanks, [NB]Miyagi
I know what you're feeling towards this subject but theres nothing else I can do besides trying to offer you a few possible options that you can dispose of at the moment. emoticon-sad
You can try and talk to Slice to see if he is available to do a ESL Wire Plugin which contains the sensfix, and therefore it gets allowed in ESL, or you can get a mouse that allows you to downgrade your DPI in order to be able to play SA-MP.
It is not our fault if that feature, among a few others, in GTA San Andreas is bugged. It is not a SA-MP bug so the multiplayer has nothing to do with it. Also, you can't compare SA-MP to Counterstrike, CoD, and such, because those games were designed specifically for online and competitive gaming, and for PC, therefore you don't find bugs as these ones but of course they have their own bugs too emoticon-grin
Also, we can't just allow the current sensfix on ESL because as stated, it's an .asi script which is supported by CLEO and it's not allowed in SA-MP tournaments, matches and of course ESL.
So your last hope is talking to Slice and see what he decides to do.
I tottaly agree with Miyagi, playing with outdated mouses just to play a simple game seems unresonable..
When Styla, the guy who disagrees with everything for the lulz agrees with you, you know you are making a valid point.

I can't ask Slice to make a mod for me. First of all he has nothing to do with ESL so why should he have to put effort into scripting a new mod. 

Since you are the 'ambassador' between ESL and the SA:MP community you should be making efforts to see this mod be implememnted into the ESL wire client, not me or Slice. 

It's a shame. I know atleast 20 'famous' players who are turning down the chance to play in ESL because of this problem. 

Your game is broke... fix it please.
This problem has always been here buy a proper mouse not one from your local £1 shop and you wont get it.
Fozzy wrote:
This problem has always been here buy a proper mouse not one from your local £1 shop and you wont get it.


it's not about proper mouse, if it doesnt work with razer and other decent mouses and if it works with old mouse then something is wrong isnt it?


I bet this can be added and therefore making an expection for a simple file, it doesnt have to be .asi (so it's not connected with other "cleos")
Miyagi wrote:
When Styla, the guy who disagrees with everything for the lulz agrees with you, you know you are making a valid point.

I can't ask Slice to make a mod for me. First of all he has nothing to do with ESL so why should he have to put effort into scripting a new mod. 

Since you are the 'ambassador' between ESL and the SA:MP community you should be making efforts to see this mod be implememnted into the ESL wire client, not me or Slice. 

It's a shame. I know atleast 20 'famous' players who are turning down the chance to play in ESL because of this problem. 

Your game is broke... fix it please.


As I said, theres nothing I or ESL can do towards sensfix because it's an .asi script and those are not allowed. We aren't responsible for this problem, Rockstar Games are so it's them who you have to ask to be fixed. If you want to see this tool being used in ESL your only way is to make it a ESL Wire Plugin which then can be revised by the developers. Apart from that theres nothing we can do about it.
Also, this problem has always been here since the release of GTA San Andreas for PC (2004) and we all have been playing GTASA and SA-MP till here. Sensfix is relatively new and people have played SA-MP way before it got released or even thought of being done, plus 99% of the modern mouses allow you to control your DPI/CPI from a wide range (such as 600-3200) in normal mouses.
For example if you look at this mouse http://steelseries.com/products/mice/steelseries-kana it's relatively recent and used by many clans in CS and in LANs in ESL. The mouse allows you to control from 400-3200 CPI which is just what you need. You can find countless mouses with these features and I have knowledge of many people using modern mouses, including Razer, and don't have this problem at all, they just need to adjust the mouse speed outside of the game and that does the job.
You should also notice that sensitivity speeds are not the same from game to game. As an example, you can't compare the sensitivities used for Counter Strike to the ones used in GTA San Andreas, first of all it's a completely different engine and the gameplay too. Each game has its own supported sensitivities.
If your mouse can't do that, well bad luck theres nothing else we can do for you. I have the same mouse for 11 years and I never had any issue.
Slice is the author of the sensfix script so if his users are interested in his script and want it to be allowed in ESL SA-MP it needs to be done as an ESL Wire Plugin in order to be implemented, and that's Slice's job as its his tool or anyone else with knowledge could do it or convert it. Once it's made as an ESL Wire Plugin, then yes it's our job to make efforts to see it implemented; now allowing it right as it is would be putting unecessary risks on the anticheat's duty.
It's up to you if you turn down the chance to play in ESL, but that won't change anything.

So, simply put: either it's converted into an ESL Wire Plugin, or no sensfix at all. I never said a "no" for this tool, I simply offered you an option now it's up to you and the supporters of sensfix if you want to ask Slice to make it a Wire Plugin.


Kind Regards,
Al Pacino
STYLA wrote:
it's not about proper mouse, if it doesnt work with razer and other decent mouses and if it works with old mouse then something is wrong isnt it?


I bet this can be added and therefore making an expection for a simple file, it doesnt have to be .asi (so it's not connected with other "cleos")


practically every razer mouse has his software, and with it you can change DPI and X/Y axis velocity
I set low DPIs and 10/5 for X/Y, ready to play.

Anyway if people need a specific software it would be better if done as esl wire plug-in, not as .exe
possibily razer but kind of odd@the settings over a game.

Yes al pacino u cant compare use of mouse in CS and gta sa because in gta sa its a known issue and u can only move ur mouse by pixels, that is clearly seen 

maybe I'll get some guys to script it into esl plugin tho
sensfix is unrelated to CLEO, CLEO is another .asi mod (like sensfix) but you don't need CLEO for sensfix to work.

Whos Miyagi anyway? just curious it could be styla for all we know

and yes you can get around this issue if you have a mouse that allows to decrease your DPI as low as 200-600 if it also lets you adjust the axis then it's even better, though, not everyone has mice with the support to do that.
That is why you people have to get naga molten, best mouse out there right now, everything configurable and you will never find any better mouse.
I am [NB]Miyagi aka Dr.Vibrator... You probably wont know me as I haven't played SA:MP since late 2009, I just come back every now and again to make sure I don't lose my skills.

The Euro NB members are considering coming back, We conqured this game a long time ago and no one has took our title as the 'all time best clan' since then. We are known as the best clan and if you were to list the top 10 players of all time 7 out of 10 of those would be NB members and the rest KFC. 

However when one of these new clans like uL come and win this ESL thing people will mistakenly think that uL (or whoever else wins) are the best clan... So Me, Ingognito, Rattlesnake, Predator and Wyoming are coming back to win this thing, but only if we can get our mice to work with this outdated game.

So if you want to see NB come back and make a fool out of MOB and uL and whoever else the fanboys like these days then allow us to use sensfix or our own mod which we have been using since 0.1a that fixes sensitivity.
Incognito isn't from Europe so i don't know how he will participate in ESL, but w/e.
MaTrIx4057 wrote:
Incognito isn't from Europe so i don't know how he will participate in ESL, but w/e.

in the most of ladders and cups just the 60% of the team has to be from the written nation/mainland, btw
QWERT wrote:
in the most of ladders and cups just the 60% of the team has to be from the written nation/mainland, btw


We have plans to expand SA-MP to National ESL (Americas) so we will need players to make it possible, therefore allowing American players to play in ESL Europe would be pointless.
Yeah right, each clan has about 2 americans and it will make 2v2 matches, it will be even more inactive than the europe side. You guys have problem with reading, read what he said again and then read my answer, it has nothing to do with american cup.
Miyagi wrote:
I am [NB]Miyagi aka Dr.Vibrator...


I remember that guy o_O
MaTrIx4057 wrote:
Yeah right, each clan has about 2 americans and it will make 2v2 matches, it will be even more inactive than the europe side. You guys have problem with reading, read what he said again and then read my answer, it has nothing to do with american cup.
National ESL / ESL America embraces all the american countries, not just USA.
Anyway, NB have had their own sensfix mod which is not a script, it's barely a mod at all. It is a modified gta_sa.exe source code (You may or may not be aware of how we obtained it but lets not start this whole fisaco again, it ended years ago) which has a few lines modified which makes the X and Y axis equal on all sensitivities, Kye (SA:MP's overly ambitious developer) was aware of this problem even beofre 0.1's alpha was released and he knew how to fix it, however he could not encourage people to use modified gta_sa.exes because of potential copyright issues with rockstar. 

So it was left to us (the community) to come up with our own solutions which included sensfix, our gta_sa.exe and a few clever little fixes scripted by those little polish fellas we all love.

So, just a heads up to [PTM]Al_Pacino. If you join #99blazed on irc we will send you a copy of our mod and you can try it out etc to see it it will be good enough for ESL.

I know ESL disallows mods but it is barely a mod, it is merely a few lines of code changed in the exe which will allow for better and smoother ESL competition.

Thanks
Oh and Incog lives in Ireland now, so he will be eligible for ESL.
"it is merely a few lines of code changed in the exe"

am I wrong if I say that you won't release the source code and, for this reason, you can't proof it?
No, we won't release the sourcecode. First of all, hackers would have a field day because they would be able to manipulate the game engine in ways you just can't do with other programs such as s0beit and vogelz.

Second, I personally don't have access to the code, so I couldn't prove it anyway. The guy who does have it, I am sure you 'oldschool' players will remember his name, is no longer associated with NB. (Infact for arguments sake, NB dosen't exist anymore, the ex-members who are still in contact with each other don't even use the tag in any game and our forum has been dead for 2 years now) So if we were to come back we would either merge with another clan or create our own from scratch, this way we won;t have the whole 'omg NB hackers' drama which is untrue, seeing as we have played fair in every clanwar we have ever had and in all public servers. It was just in our own servers we used to test our own mods, it was a hobby of ours to come up with some crazy ass mods, hacks and bugs. Unlike clans like KFC and D1E we actually never took our hacks and mods to public servers, it was all just fun to us.
We need the source of the sensfix or whatever you want to name it, for verification and recompilation. We can't just allow a plugin or a program without having the source to it, that would simply create a breach on the anticheat's duty and fairplay as theres no way you can prove your plugin contains something else besides its designed feature.
And @ your concerns about hackers modifying the game engine etc, dont worry, the source will be kept private plus you can't just modify the game engine and get away with it here in ESL.
So heres the contact where you should send the source of the plugin and then we'll take care of it: jppbs@hotmail.com

If you still don't accept to give us the source then theres no possible deal, sorry. I'll probably have a talk with a few uL members related to this and we'll see what's the outcome, and it depends exclusively on them if they want to release their sensfix source and therefore allow it in ESL or not.
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