Opening Cups: rules and dates *update 17/03*
After seeing a huge amount of signups and lots of discussion in the news comments of our announcement, we have decided on a preliminary ruleset and competition layout.

Tournament type and important dates

Because of the large amount of signups we have decided to use group phases for both the cups. The top two of each group will proceed towards the play-offs. The final group size and the amount of groups will depend on the total amount of signups.

Please take note of the following dates:
» 17/03 23:59 - Signups close
» 21/03 20:00 - Start of matchweek #1

Haven't signed up yet?
» Conquest Opening Cup (8v8): sign up here
» Squad Rush Opening Cup (4v4): sign up here

Preliminary ruleset

We have decided to allow unlocks in this cup, however to maintain a good quality of play we have made a few exceptions for the Squad Rush cup. We have decided to do so as there is currently no way to restrict these weapons and that the use of specializations is to hard to detect when playing without killcam. These rules will be used for the group phase and may be altered for the playoffs.

For teams that wish to play without unlocks we have decided that they may play without unlocks if both teams agree. We advice all teams to talk and confirm these agreements in the match comments to have it all written down, in case of a match conflict.

The global server settings:
» Friendly Fire: on
» PunkBuster: on
» Killcam: off
» 3D-spotting: off
» Hardcore: off

Global rules:

Assault:
» AEK-971 Vintovka (incl. GL, shotgun, smoke)
» XM8 Prototype (incl. GL, shotgun, smoke)
» F2000 Assault (incl. GL, shotgun, smoke)
» Ammobox

Engineer:
» 9A-91 Avtomat
» SCAR-L Carbine
» XM8 Compact
» RPG-7 AT
» M2 Carl Gustav AT
» Anti-Tank Mine
» Repair Tool

Medic:
» PKM LMG
» M249 SAW
» Type 88 LMG
» Medic Kit
» Defibrillator

Recon:
» M24 Sniper
» Type 88 Sniper
» SV98 Snaiperskaya
» C4 Explosive
» Motion Sensor

All-kit weapons:
» M9 pistol
» MP-443 pistol
» M870
» SAIGA

Perks:
» All allowed

Squadrush specific rules:
» No grenade launcher
» No mounted machine guns
» No C4 & AT-mines
» No Anti-Tank missiles (RPG-7 AT/M2 Carl Gustav AT)
» Each team plays 3x attack and 3x defence. Possible outcomes are 6-0, 2-4 and 3-3 etc.

During the group phase there will be one map per match. Because the game does not allow us to capture the final ticket score in a decent way the scores will be decided in side wins. Possible outcomes for conquest are 2-0, 0-2 and 1-1. The maplist will be published later on along with the groups.

UPDATE 17/03
- Added 3rd row of unlocked weapons, except for WWII M1911 .45 pistol.
- Added smoke + shotgun round for the assault. This gives them additional value in squadrush.
- Added M870 and SAIGA.

A poll has been added - http://www.esl.eu/eu/bfbc2/poll/32752/



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squad rush would be so much better with timing objectives like et :/ instead of using tickets.

Isnt there some way an admin could time? ;D you get 10 minutes to destroy each objective, much simpler than tickets and will make it much faster. By an admin timing, i mean he can just start a timer out of game, when the guys say they are starting, then pm the teams. I think this will be good, dono what you think though ? Or would you even do it?
Unlocks = fail
squadrush will be 4 medics with m60 + accurancy perk + reddot
Spray and pray only
gg esl
what about vehicles in squad rush?
Well this tournament has already failed..

..Why allow the M60 in Squad Rush, its just going to be uber fail with 8xM60 bouncing around.
uhm, there arent any vehicles in squad rush, and yes I agree with currey, at least limit medics and that m60 gun lol
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bah 4 m60 on each team in squad rush...
Hey guys. they didnt state the rules are finalized, calm down and post something constructive
Yeah Dandee, we need a Promod to limit the amount of Medics that can be used....

Or admins to come and fix the rules and remove M60, everyone knows it's overpowered so whats the point in allowing it.
Dandeeeeeeeeeee wrote:
Hey guys. they didnt state the rules are finalized, calm down and post something constructive


What he said.
Allow Killcam, FF On, stock weapons only... It's not hard

@ Sumera

Go read @ your previous news item for constructive posts

Fail quote option jeez
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Bit dissapointed, but lets just play and see how it goes :/
Well no killcam shouldn't be on in a competitive match, thats why we cant limit the Specializations. It's just weapons that we would want removing etc.

To be honest i think Conquest would be better without allowing the use of AT mines either, but each to there own i suppose ^^
Well no killcam shouldn't be on in a competitive match, thats why we cant limit the Specializations. It's just weapons that we would want removing etc.

To be honest i think Conquest would be better without allowing the use of AT mines either, but each to there own i suppose ^^

EDIT

Oh yeah, we need a few more tweaks made to the Squad Rush. If your not allowing Grenade launcher you need to not allow RPG/Gustav Etc, also C4/AT mines. Otherwise i can see alot of that happening.

***Bah Double Post <------ Nab Spotted =)
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Killcam is useless anyway. Only usefull thing it can do is show you which kit the enemy is using. I rather play with killcam than with specializations
Glad to see ESL got their minds right.
As said, this is preliminary, not finalized, and we will consider proposals for changes.

Update: M60 as forbidden weapon for squadrush
@lukos. I meant contrsuctive towards the decisions already made.
n1 rules.

all those "pro" kids go play some hide with cod4 or cs. This is another game with bigger options then only shitty campstriking.
Killcam useless? You can see your killer for whole 10 seconds and if for example any squad members spawn on him. That makes flanking moves totally useless. There is no way killcam can be used in matches.

Lukos, you should try to use the other half of your brain before making any more idiotic posts on these forums.
Rofl, campstriking ? Some unlocks are just overpowered. But already 1 gun down, go disallow the rest Sumera !
added: » 3D-spotting: off
Nice add sumera, I would bet 80% of people actually forgot this was an unfair advantage
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Jeronimo.Vega wrote:
n1 rules. all those "pro" kids go play some hide with cod4 or cs. This is another game with bigger options then only shitty campstriking.


+1
@Lone, you retarded? Like posted before:

"Some final words about the killcam. Some guys stated that it's impossible to check if some guy is using specs. Well it's possible with killcam on. Killcam is, except for the option to see the kit of the enemy, useless. 90% of the time you already know where the shots are coming from because it takes multiple hits to kill someone + with Killcam off, you will switch to a general view of the map, where you can see ALL guys in the open. Personally, I rather play without specs and with killcam than the other way around. (IMHO win-win since you won't see the general view of the map, so you can't see the guys sneaking around for example)"
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Stop flaming and posting the same stuff multiple times, maybe then people wont think your just a whining little girl.
funny all the spam here but i like the outcome :D finaly no pro-mod like game that gets bored afther a couple of wars :) and btw offtopic: lukos&morte dont wanna be a ass but you 2 ar the bigest flame/yellers around here on the topic like on the other 1.
if you play for a powerhouse like powegaming i would def expect more of a just let it go and dont post all the time then what you guys do but thats just me.
n1 rules sumera very well done we are all happy!
I think the squad rush matches (group stage) should be played BO3.
Those matches in 1 map are over in like 15 minutes and if you play only 1 map, there's too much randomness...
Morte is just a troll and I didn't start the flame tbh. As far as I know I posted constructive posts before, no flame intended. But I don't feel like being constructive when some are going for a personal attack.

I just can't see how this will become a succes...
Auto spotting(unlock) from Recon should be forbidden too.
lukos the hole game fails atm:)
There will be No mod tools thats 1 thing 4sure
there's not enough to edit in the cfg files to make this game like for exmp bf2
i think bfbc2 will be a game that will be all unlocks and the best team will win imo.
no record no spec slots.
and there only 4 maps iam boord of the game already.
and the way the things go atm making the game suit for comp is the last thing dice will do the 1st will fix other bugs then inplant something to help comp scene

and btw didnt mean flamewar i mean like the vs the fin guy thats a flame:)
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What about hardcore?
Guess theres only gonna be softcore :(
Who made the rules on CB? was there even a discussion?
Meh, community split incoming I guess

Have to say I prefer the CB rules though ;)
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Obviously they do because they have rules exactly as you wanted, But I dont think powergaming not playing in ESL is a community split lol. ESL will continue to be a better league than cb because the admins actually discuss whats best for the game. Unless this happened in CB then its just some random guy like owning making rules he thinks are good. Which is pretty ridiculous.
haha GL clanbase admins with those rules....
Was there a real discussion here dandy ? Didn't really see an admin participating and basing his ruleset on the things mentioned on the earlier post. Since a lot were in favour but a lot were against it as well. So what's youre point dandy ? It's not like everything here was arranged in a democratical ( poll next time ? ) order...
Well those rules aren't perfect as well imho, but it's alot closer to what I think is good. And I know there are plenty of teams out there who think the same. Also I dunno if rest of power still wants to play, I don't, that's for sure :P
Morte , We were already told the rules are not finalized, We are still discussing it here. People wanted M60 banned, It was added, no GL, it was added. Explain how the admin is not participating? :/
Lol, the discussion wasn't about a few guns. It was about unlocks on or unlocks off. Didn't see any conclusion in that discussion ?
There is a possibility to meet both sides halfway:

Per class, allow the stock weapon + the first unlock. This way there is still a choice and for the other side "it could have been worse". Everyone has the first weapon unlock or can get this within reasonable time. I think itsn't good to go for a no-unlocks or all-unlocks solution for either side or the scene in general.

Please give your opinion/comment on above suggestion
It's better, but what about specs?
It's good like that I guess, could be better of course :P But it's a nice halfway possibility.
In my opinion CB rules look more competitive then this one...I think players are mature enough to keep the rules and not use the spec, weapons which are not allowed, if not they should be punished hard and they'll wont try it again

regards
CB rules are a joke. No stationary weapons? LOL. There is no way to play according to CB rules without a mod, all matches will default in a loss because there are too many stupid little things to remember. Good luck trying to prove the other team used something illegal as there are no demos. Conflict flood incoming.

Oh yeah, why would anyone even play at Clanbase ladders? Only good things at CB have always been the Open/Euro cups but if they are played with that same retarded ruleset then gg CB, we won't miss ya.

And for ESL rules, just ban M60 if u want to remove some weapons. All other weapons are pretty much balanced.
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lol @ CB rules

Sumera just ban m60 as other weapons(and specs) are pretty well in balance, at least until dice decides to fix the RAMBO.

And unlike BF2 theres no simple server option to limit these... so to keep these "special" rules as simple as possible is quite necesary as there's no demo function to prove anything in the resulting conficts.
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Hahah "please dont kill with my tanks with C4, im blind and cannot protect my tank" ROFLD @ CB rules. Congrats ESL, you made the only right choice that there was to make. If powergaming want to play retarded game, they should stick into the BF2 or so. Definitely a no for Sumeras proposition becouse its a situation when everyone loses.
I like the decision to turn off 3D spotting, but god it's gonna be hard to see anything in the tank:D
should wait until unranked servers (with configurable rank limits) are available before you do any cups IMO.
 
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