Ladder Restarts & Match System
Maybe some of you remember, that there was a vote about ladder restarts nearly 1 month ago. After this vote was finished we discussed this topic in the new SWBF2 player council and as this was finished, the admins made a decision. If you want to get more details, just follow this news.

Ladder Restarts

If you don't remember the vote, you can take a look at it, by clicking on this link.

Vote: Wich Ladder (Ranking) should be resetted?


The results of the vote, the discussion of the player council a the discussion of the admins staff leads to following decision:

All Ladders will be restarted next monday


Why we will restart "all" ladders? There are a lot of reasons. First of all the result of the vote shows, that the majority of the players want to restart the ladders. But of course there are more reasons.

For example the activity of some ladders will be increased by a restart. Because everyone can get first place, there is a big motivation to play again a lot of matches.

And the ladder restart is a chance to improve the SWBF2 section again. A chance to go for professional eSports. A lot of ESL ladders are using the "BO3" system what means "best of three". It's one of the best eSports systems and so we will try to adopt it for the SWBF2 section.

To do so, we have to announce 3 big changes:

1.) As written above, all SWBF2 ladders will be restarted.

2.) You won't enter tickets as results any more.

3.) We will start the BO3 system.



Match Results - No more tickets

No tickets as results? WTF? Yes, it's something new, but it will be better for all of us. So before you start flaming, please continue reading.

At the moment you are entering tickets for every map. But this system is old, obsolete and complicated. First you have to take a look at all of your results, to sum them up to one result per map and to enter them into the result sheet.

And in fact the system isn't very good. In the last weeks more and more players complained about strange match results. Just take a look at following example.

Example - Mach Result
Round Team A vs Team B
Round 1 40 : 0
Round 2 0 : 53
Tickets 40 : 53
Result DRAW

So even if Team B has more tickets than Team A, it's just a draw. And in fact this is really confusing, isn't it? This is one thing, that we want to optimize.

In the future (starting from ladder restart) you will in all ladders just enter 1 or 0 for win or loss for every map. Maybe a few examples are easier to understand than a long explanation.

A few examples for the results of 1 map:

Example - Mach Result
RoundTeam AvsTeam B
Round 113:0
Round 29:0
Tickets22:0
Result1:0
OR
Example - Mach Result
RoundTeam AvsTeam B
Round 113:0
Round 20:9
Tickets13:9
Result1:0

OR


OR

Example - Mach Result
RoundTeam AvsTeam B
Round 112:0
Round 20:13
Tickets12:13
Result0:1
OR
Example - Mach Result
RoundTeam AvsTeam B
Round 114:0
Round 20:14
Tickets14:14
Result1:1

As you can see it's always 1:0 or 0:1. Even if the ticket result would be 299:298 it's just 1:0. There is only one exception as you can see in the lower example on the left side. If both teams got excactly the same tickt count on the map (for example 254:254) it will be counted as a draw (1:1).


BO3 - Best of Three

As mentioned above, the BO3 system is one of the best eSport systems and so we will try to adopt it for the SWBF2 section. BO3 ("best of three") means, that in case of doubt three maps will be played (each map 2 rounds) and who wins 2 of these 3 maps (1:0 + 1:0) will win the match.

You will play your matches like you did all the time, but you will just count win or loss (1:0). If you played 2 maps (4 rounds) and the end result is 1:1 (both players or both teams have won a map) a third map will be played, so that the end result will be 2:1 or 1:2.

If 2 maps are played and it's 2:0 or 0:2, no 3rd map has to be played, because the result can't be changed anymore.

We know, that probably 90% of you won't be happy now, but please believe us, that BO3 is much more ambitious as our actual system and it will be better for all of you. A lot of people flamed as the gameaccounts got announced. But now it's just "okay" and no one would flame about it. BO3 will be the same.

The gameaccounts are one step to more professional eSports, but they are not the last step. The BO3 system will be the second step to give you a better ladder. So please test it, before you start to flame the admins.


Your Admin Team
ReeN, Tuesday, 19/01/10 15:22
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So if we play a draw (1-1), we will have to play a 3rd map? If yes, what would we have to do if the 3rd map was draw? BO4? :D

i mean
1st map: 1 - 0
2nd map: 0 - 1
BO3 map: 1 - 1
Will be it finally a draw?:D
Oh and will we have to play a 3rd map or is it an option if we do not want a draw?
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I think it is nice =)
nice news :)
I know the BO3 system from other games, this is very good.
But i have a question:
When the result is:
map A: 8: 12
map B:11: 6

is the result then that player A wins because 11+8=19 is more than 12+6=18?
@ darth invader:
In 99,99% of all matches the 3rd map can't be a draw, because every map will be 1:0 or 0:1 ;) So if it's 1:1 after the first 2 maps, the 3rd map will give 1 point to one team. So it's 2:1 or 1:2.

The 0,01% would be the following:
If both teams have exactly the same tickets on a map (for example 24:24) it will be counted as a draw (1:1). If the 3rd map will be counted as a draw, the end result will be 2:2 -> draw. It won't be played a 4th map. But it's nearly impossible to get this kind of draw.

@ LiKe.Me/CenTurY:
- 8: 12 -> 0:1
- 11: 6 -> 1:0
- Result after 2 maps -> 1:1
- 3rd map will be played.
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ah okay thank you ReeN :)
hum will take some time to get used to it i think.
also it will take about 2 hours or even more when 2 teams on the same lvl play against each other.
but all in all its a step in the right way
same goes to the ladderestarts
I assume the 3rd map will be chosen via voting out right?

So you sort maps out until only one is left, but who is supposed to start?
Why is it better to have no draws?

And ye, how is the 3rd map chosen?
why so much "pech"? niiiiiiiiiiice!
Jo...
puuh esl matches will take much time in the future xD

ähm when does the new system start?
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Sounds cool.
Will new rules like no speedpack be part of the new ladders?
Will there be any new ladders like the aimmap ladder?
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"If 2 maps are played and it's 2:0 or 0:2 no 2rd map has to be played, because the result can't be changed anymore."
Think you mean 3rd ;)
Also how is the 3rd map picked?
Also if it isnt broke why fix it :(
'At the moment you are entering tickets for every map. But this system is old, obsolete and complicated':
Old ? maybe so
obsolete ? not really
complicated ? Wtf its not exactly hard.
The system isnt broke so why fix it ;/
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amazing just amazing
dunno how to pick the 3rd map... HELP ME :)
same problem.
who picks the 3rd map !?
btw: nice news.
right fusion
think the "old" system was good so why change it?
what does happen to matches that have been played?

then the team accounts are empty...
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First example is wrong. Please change "Round 1" & "Round 2" to "Map 1" and "Map 2", otherwise the result "draw" doesn't accord to the current ESL ELO system. And suddenly, you will find that the BO3 system won't change the result for now. If you win one map with 580:0 and your opponent wins the other map 0:40, it's 1:1 according to the BO3 system, the only difference will be that a 3rd map will be played.
Anyways I like the BO3 system, because now you can easily can get a 1:1, so that a 3rd map will be played: Just win one round of the map with one ticket more than the other team (e.g. 251:250) and there will be always a third map, since it doesn't matter, if the other team wins both rounds on the other map (e.g. 560:0).
Now have fun with your "so much better" BO3 system ;)
I don't want to complain about the new system (to be honest, I like it), however I wanted to point out that the BO3 system won't change anything to "strange match result"s, like the one mentioned at the top of the news.

BTW it also possible to end up in a 3:3... 1st map: draw, 2nd map: draw, 3rd map: draw ==> 3:3 :]
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nL:d/mAgiC.sS wrote:
right fusion think the "old" system was good so why change it?


Map A: 40-0
Map B 0-53
The result is a draw, so where is the old system good?^^
With the new system Its more fair, easy to enter for you guys and us admins and much more.

@HZH, its more then elo, check out the match moduls on http://www.esl.eu/eu/battlefront2/1on1/ladder/leagueinfo/ they are different 1on1 is default and the rest is default_noshift.
Theres nothing wrong with draws...
Will new rules like no speedpack be part of the new ladders?
HMapow is the 3rd map picked?

Map A: 40-0
Map B 0-53
The result is a draw, so where is the old system good?^^
The 2 teams both win there map and lose there enemy's map(or vice versa) if a team isnt "good" enough on beat there enemy on 3 or more rounds then I dont think a draw is totally bullsh*t and I dont think ether team can really give out about it.
@REtender: Since you wrote "team" in your examples, I refered everything to 2on2, 3on3 or 5on5 ;)
1. In the last weeks players complained about the strange match results with the "Bundesliga" modul (example: http://www3.esl.eu/eu/battlefront2/5on5/new_years_cup/match/16341131/). A draw isn't really confusing if both teams win their map. In my opinion a result like this is much more strange:

Map A: 550:0
Map B: 230:231
Map C: 280:295
Result: 1:2 ...

2. Sometimes a team wins one round with luck for example 290:0. Why should the other team play the next round? They lose in the majority of cases (99%). The opponent can play for tickets (camping) to get the opponents tickets under 290 and after that there is no reason to play longer.

3. Today it's easier to guess how long a match will take with only 2 maps. As a Squadleader or Orga you have to guess how long a match will take because some players have to go at 20:00 for example. Nowadays you can say ok let's start at 18:00 and you know the match will be finished at 8 o'clock. With the new rule you can't be sure. With 3 maps (including 3 Buffermaps...) a match between teams of the same level can take 3 hours or more. I think in such cases the teams would not finish the match.

4. What's with the server? With 3 maps the map order would be:

Buffermap
Map A
Map B
Buffermap
Map A
Map B
Buffermap
Map C
Map C

but as much as I know this isn't possible with the servermanager or only with cumbersome ingame commands. To restart the server after 2 maps is also a bad idea because I don't think the server admins want to wait and start a new server after 2 maps.
thats my opinion tilz couldn't say it better
and it seems that there are still many open questions for example
- How is the 3rd map picked?
- Will new rules like no speedpack be part of the new ladders?

perhaps you have to adapt over this system again
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If 2 maps are played and it's 4:0, 0:4, 3:1 or 1:3 no 3rd map has to be played, because the result can't be changed anymore.

here my question:
why 4:0 after 2 maps? I thought for 1stmap it's 1:0 or 0:1 and the 2ndmap 1:0 or 0:1..

then it can be 1:0 0:1
1:0 or 0:1 but not 4:0 o0??
and why it's nearly impossible when Team A wins for examble 8:0 1st round in 1map and the other team wins in the 2nd round also 8:0 in the "3rd map" ??
You'll see, in a few weeks there will be much discomfort about teams and players camping all the time just to win a match....
@ zero

every round is counted as 1
so every map can be 2:0, 0:2, 1:1.. so the whole match can end 4:0, 3:1, 2:2, 1:3, 0:4
In the future (starting from ladder restart) you will in all ladders just enter 1 or 0 for win or loss for every map. Maybe a few examples are easier to understand than a long explanation.


lol ??? ^^
1.Reset SWBF2 ladders
2.Add BO3 system
3.???
4.Profit

What if im playing Tantive and my team is beaten 250:0 so the next round my tickets fall below 250 , there is no point in continuing the map now since even if I win the map I dont get a point.
With the elo system every map was worth fighting for to try and reduce the amount of points taken from my team but now there's no point. What games is the BO3 system in actually? I dont think its any game with tickets like SWBF2 cause I dont see it working out.
Maybe I'm missing something important and if I am I apologize but I dont think the BO3 system is better. Also look at my other questions above.
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@sal: like tilz said

so admins please give us a constructive answer about this questions
OMFG WHAT A SHIT!!!!
Old ticket-rule back pls.
It's funny cause you misspelled "which"
the "BO3" is a very nice idea. but restarting the ladders? You will not rise up the acitivity, maybe it will become lower, seen in the old swbf1 section. Well let's see..in 2 oder 3 months you will have the same result in the ladder like you have it right now so i don't know where you see the sense in it.
We are discussing the BO3 topic and we are working on a (for you) better solution. In our opinion BO3 is the best system for SWBF2, but we will try to work on an alternative system.
- How is the 3rd map picked?
- Will new rules like no speedpack be part of the new ladders?

Also I know its a ladder reset but just to make sure : will the current ladders be closed and new ones open?
Just wondering cause if I leave a team now will I have a 5 day barrage or be able to join a team when the ladder is open/reset.
Also if the reset is on Monday will all open matchs be removed or what?
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@ Sal:
- the old ladders will be deleted / new ladders will be created (this is the only way for restarting ladders)
- you won't recieve a 5 day barrage
- all open matches in the ladders will be deleted (it's not possible to tranfer the matches into the new ladders)

Rules and more details will be announced in a second news + email to all swbf2 players ;)
nice =)
Thanks :)
KrUsHaK wrote:
the "BO3" is a very nice idea. but restarting the ladders? You will not rise up the acitivity, maybe it will become lower, seen in the old swbf1 section. Well let's see..in 2 oder 3 months you will have the same result in the ladder like you have it right now so i don't know where you see the sense in it.


Ladders are restarted because then everyone has the opportunity to reach the top ten...still...
5on5 Ladder restart -> Best Teams = Worst Teams (Points)
First thing best teams will do is challenge worst teams instead of teams with same skill level
Worst teams will get like -20 or -25 pts against them and get challenged every week until they get just -4 pts for total loss
These teams won't reach the top ten easily, and the ladder will be like it was until yesterday in no time.
I hope I am wrong :|
2 rounds are counted as 1 point


so if u win first round dea1g with 4:0 and loose the second round with 0:5 so its 4:5 and it's 0:1 for your enemy. So you have to win 2 rounds for 1 point in the end : )
The "Bo3" is a system that gets used in many other games that are played in the ESL. But you always need to look for the best system you can install for the specific game. I think the admins just wanted to do well as they installed the Bo3. Maybe it would be better to test the new system during a cup ( the NYC would be a good idea for that) and then you discuss WITH the community about the advantages and disadvantages about the system - but now it's still to late for that point. You've had a little time to test the Bo3 and you see the feedback coming from the community. Why do you ignore all these statements and be so bullish? Where is the problem just to admit a mistake - that has nothing to do with showing weakness, we all do mistakes and if you say " Yes, it was a mistake or you invite the community to discuss about Bo3, to let it in the ladders or to reinstall the Elo system...
I respect you admins..you do your job complimentary FOR the community..NOT AGAINST..please remember this. I think if both sides will be able to discuss on a polite and constructional level you will have the best chances to solve that "conflict" with a result everyone can live with.
SWBF2 can only ecxist in the ESL if community and ESL administration work together..
 
 
 
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