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 As we announced, the space cup will hold as 5on5 assault cup soon. But we're really sad about the community meeting, which should take place last weekend.
You can get the full informations as always in the full news. Official ESL Community MeetingYesterday on 6th february the ESL community meeting took place. Ok, not really. 3 admins waited for 1 hour in mumble, bot NO user joined the server. That's really really sad.A lot of users flamed, because we never wanted to start a meeting. Now we started a meeting and no user joined. What's up? Do you just wanted to flame or why you didn't joined the meeting after flaming to get one? Of course this is not the fault of the whole community, but it's a fault of these players that flamed to get this meeting. Next time you should think about it if you really want to get this what you are flaming for. At the moment it's not clear if we will start another try with such a meeting. Even admins have a "real life", so we don't have time to wait 1 hour in mumble without any reason. Space Cup - The Countdown begins!The new space cup will be bigger, faster and more spectacular than any ESL space cup before. This time we won't let you take flags. This time the cup will be played in "assault" mode, so it's your mission to destroy the ship of your opponent. To make it more interesting we won't start it as a 3on3 cup like in the last 2 space cups. This cup will be played as 5on5, so that there are enough players for epic space battles.This will be the biggest space battle in the ESL history. So don't miss the chance to join this legendary cup. Feel free to write us proposals for the next space cups as comments in this news or in a support ticket. General
The mappools for this cup will be added in the next days. So please be patient and feel free to make proposals in the news comments. TimelineThe Cup will start at 0:00 (UTC+1) on 20th march. Each round is scheduled to be played during three full days. So the first round will end at the end of 22.03. (or in other words -> 23.03. at 0:00) and so on. You can move your matches by 3 days (i.e. 20.03. - 22.03.). If a match hasn't been finished after this "Deadline" the admins will give def wins. The end dates of each round can be found in the following list:
We wish all participating teams much fun and good luck. May the force be with you! Your  Admin Team
ReeN,
Saturday, 13/03/10 00:08
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Sinthoras.X
*looking for 2 ground players* °_°
Zeph
Then ofcourse using Mumble didn't help since swbf2 players use TeamSpeak or Ventrillo and most likely couldn't be bothered getting yet another system just to join a meeting where they aren't allowed to talk about what they want to talk about.
It's laughable to think that you would actually pretend to listen to the community when you've for so long posted things like this:
This community meeting won't be an official ESL meeting, so we won't accept the decisions of this meeting. It's unimportant
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I will deactivate the comments
Ghost
(ironyyyyy)
TaL3nT
VSZM
Sinthoras.X
ReeN
ESL Admin Team
This meeting was a try to get the opinion of the community. Because there was a lot of flaming we tried to make a meeting to get the opinion of the community to some topics.
First you flame us, but if we try to change anything, you ignore it. Isn't this behavior a little bit strange? It's just a question, nothing else. We tried to make the first step for a change but nobody was intered. That'S really sad...
P.s. You are quoting stuff that i have written to the "community meeting". This meeting (that was ignored completely) was an official ESL meeting. There is a great difference ;)
@ Lord_VSZM:
"bigger" -> bigger space battles -> 5on5 space + ground battles ;)
Zeph
However this was not what you conveyed in your message about your meeting. Instead you said that you wanted to have a meeting, but only topics you liked would be discussed. That is not an attempt by you to "change" anything. I ask you, why would anyone be interested in that then?
So to answer your question on if it was "strange to ignore you then?" No, quite the opposite. It makes perfect sence to ignore someone who wants a meeting where you're not allowed to talk about the things that you want to talk about.
PS. I know I'm quoting you, thats why it says "Reen wrote"... And lol, official.. The community meeting was a meeting with alot of swbf2 players discussing things. Your ESL meeting was just 3 admins in a Mumble server. I think we both know which one of these was a real meeting, dispite you calling it "official" or not..
ReeN
ESL Admin Team
Okay, why we should have to prove it by posting something like this? Because it's your opinion? If we want to change something we can do it in our way without using "your rules".
We announced a meeting and we wrote, that some topics will be chosen by the admin team + some topics can be chosen by the community. Any topic was allowed excepting BO3 system.
So WE announced a VOICE MEETING. It should be clear that we won't start a voice meeting if we don't want to get your feedback. If we don't want to get your feedback we would just make a decision and just announce it via news.
The community meeting was a meeting with alot of swbf2 players discussing things. Your ESL meeting was just 3 admins in a Mumble server. I think we both know which one of these was a real meeting, dispite you calling it "official" or not..
Of course the "community meeting" was a real meeting. But it wasn't a real "ESL" meeting, because it wasn't organized by the ESL. Do you think you can start a meeting for any company (for example) and they will do what you decided on your meeting? They only will take a look at meetings that are organized by their own. It's just logical.
Instead you said that you wanted to have a meeting, but only topics you liked would be discussed.
We wrote that only topics we like will be discussed? Strange, i can't remember that. Lets take a look at the text in the last news:
"We will talk about different topics. Some topics we will announce during the meeting, other topics can be added from the community. (...)"
Hmmm, it seems you haven't read this news or you just don't want to understand what we are writing. We told you clearly, that the community can add topics too.
It makes perfect sence to ignore someone who wants a meeting where you're not allowed to talk about the things that you want to talk about.
Lets just take a look at the quotation of the last news again:
"We will talk about different topics. Some topics we will announce during the meeting, other topics can be added from the community. (...)"
We never forbid you to talk about anything what you want to talk about. We just told you, that we won't discuss the BO3 system, because this topic was discussed enough (forum, xfire, support tickets and so on). Any other topic was allowed.
edited by ReeN 14/03/10
Zeph
No, not because its my opinion but because your previous actions make it very hard to believe you and so some sort of genuine post from you, if you in fact actually were genuine about it, would help to gain the communities trust in your sincerity again. But I guess thats not the case.
Of course the "community meeting" was a real meeting. But it wasn't a real "ESL" meeting, because it wasn't organized by the ESL. Do you think you can start a meeting for any company (for example) and they will do what you decided on your meeting? They only will take a look at meetings that are organized by their own. It's just logical.
ESL exists because there are players using it, not the other way around. So yes, the "company" would normally listen to what their clients want or else they wouldn't exist. ESL is nothing without its members, have you missed that?
We wrote that only topics we like will be discussed? Strange, i can't remember that. Lets take a look at the text in the last news:
"We will talk about different topics. Some topics we will announce during the meeting, other topics can be added from the community. (...)"
Hmmm, it seems you haven't read this news or you just don't want to understand what we are writing. We told you clearly, that the community can add topics too.
You might want to take a closer look at what you wrote since you don't seem to remember. Here, I'll help you:
But it won't be talked about the BO3 system.
and:
If someone should start flaming of other annoying stuff, he will be kicked.
See, the BO3 system is an example of a topic that you don't like and therefor don't want to discuss. Same goes for "annoying stuff" that, knowing you, could mean anything (like topics you don't like).
Lets just take a look at the quotation of the last news again:
"We will talk about different topics. Some topics we will announce during the meeting, other topics can be added from the community. (...)"
We never forbid you to talk about anything what you want to talk about. We just told you, that we won't discuss the BO3 system, because this topic was discussed enough (forum, xfire, support tickets and so on). Any other topic was allowed.
ROFL!! You're contradicting yourself in that statement. Maybe you have trouble seeing it (how you don't see it is beyond me but oh well), so I'll help you:
"We never forbid you to talk about anything" <----> "we won't discuss the BO3 system"
See, thats you forbidding a topic and contradicting yourself at the same time.
Sinthoras.X
Edit: I somehow cant sign up for the cup, it says that we lack a short handle for our team :(
REtender
Word
And yes you need a shorthandel like "NEA", because if you don't have it, we can't see you on the cup grid.
Phil / AfFeOhNeWaFFe
maybe community would have come anyways but you made clear that you give a shit on what they want or say. community aint dumb ladies, they know when it makes no sense to talk if the admins dont listen anyways
Sinthoras.X
REtender
Sinthoras.X
REtender
I already added you.
Sinthoras.X
RaBBiT
Sinthoras.X
Pho3niX aka Chef
the relationship with each other -> which refers between the admins and the community
will never be fixed again, not to be rude against the new admins but there have been made a lot of mistakes by ESL-Admins. and now there are new admins -> the presure is big, cuz we're dissappointed in the ESL.
which gets you into a hard and rough place in the community.
A reason why the most people dislike these 'talking' (meetings), is that we aren't allowed to give our real opinion. which we never could and even now we can't give our opinion->as you can read by zeph's comments.
I know you admins don't want it, but I prefer to take a vote to get the old system back(tickets system).
I would also suggest to get some maps back for the mappool(in 5on5 ladder).
PS. We shouldn't have this discussion in this 'news'
this is about the 5on5 Space cup, and I hope there will sign in more teams,
Cuz it is a nice idea to get cups into SWBF 2, thatswhy I also appreciate your effort for us
mfg Pho3niX
LinKin
admins are good and are just trying to do their best ;)
LinKin
admins are good and are just trying to do their best ;)
Gary Oak
If everyone was like you and laped up everything that was said to them without expressing there views then this would be worse off then it already is.
Sinthoras.X
Gary Oak
Fusion
NYC???taking its time ennit?
Sinthoras.X